A Book to trust #20 Available in many languages #3

The translators of the 1611 authorised King James Bible Version looked and studied previous English and other bible translations to work on their version which they considered an effort of which they knew it would not be perfect. They expected the KJV to be later corrected and improved!

By implication, they did not hold to the doctrine that their King James Version is the product of “divine preservation” which supposedly kept one single edition or one single version of the Bible absolutely perfect; this doctrine is recent and not taught in Scriptures. {Is the KJV a perfect translation? According to its translators, no}

Though the last few decades the Christian world came to witness people who considered those translators infallible, not erring, incapable of failing which would mean they give the best translation (better than any other language translation)  and who consider that version, though they most often use an other version, as the so called only perfect Bible. People or websites like Vake Biblia are so oblivious to the fact that they completely break down all other thinking people and even dare to belittle them. For such KJV-only people, it is clear that no other Bible translation can actually convey the Word of God.

From documents found and studied in 2014-15 we can see that with the King James Bible it was no different than with other translations. The assembling of the writings was a process of revising, cutting, and then more rewriting.

The Bible is no different in this regard, even though some conservative Christians claim it is the divine word of God himself. Perhaps God, then, is a revisionist. This find certainly seems to suggest that.

writes Antiphon Freeman in his article “Handwritten Draft Of King James Bible Discovered: Reveals No ‘Divine Powers’

The notebook containing the draft was found by American scholar, Jeffrey Alan Miller, an assistant professor of English at Montclair State University in New Jersey, who announced his research in an article in The Times Literary Supplement. The New York Times didn’t take long to pick up the story. {Handwritten Draft Of King James Bible Discovered: Reveals No ‘Divine Powers’“}

Two pages from Samuel Ward’s translation for part of the King James Bible. An American professor who came upon the manuscript last fall at Cambridge says it is the earliest known draft for the King James translation, which appeared in 1611.CreditMaster and Fellows of Sidney Sussex College, Cambridge; Maria Anna Rogers (Photo)

Studying the creation of the King James Bible “is like working with a jigsaw puzzle where 90 percent of the pieces are missing,”

Mr. Campbell said.

“You can arrange the surviving pieces as you wish, but then you find something new and you realize you put it together the wrong way.” {Earliest Known Draft of King James Bible Is Found, Scholar Says}

The  King James Bible from 1611 along with Shakespeare’s First Folio of 1623, being one of the most influential books in the history of English over the years has caused much controversy. The original version brought a wellspring of common phrases like “salt of the earth,” “drop in the bucket”, “fight the good fight,” “You can’t put words in my mouth”,  “to refuse to give up the ghost” and “a law unto herself”, to name just a few. The King James Bible and the English language, counts 257 phrases from the King James Bible in contemporary English idiom. Examples of Hebrew idiom that have become English via the Bible include: “to set one’s teeth on edge”, “by the skin of one’s teeth”, “the land of the living” and “from strength to strength”.

“English was in a particularly fluid state. Both the works of Shakespeare and the King James Bible appeared around this formative time and stamped their imprint on the newer forms of the language.”

says Alister McGrath, professor of theology, ministry and education at King’s College, London, the author of “In the Beginning: the Story of the King James Bible and how it changed a Nation, a Language and a Culture”.

Some people are convinced no other translation can bring over the Hebrew and Greek words and idioms as good as the King James Bible (or KJV) does.

Chapel Court, Sidney Sussex College
Chapel Court, Sidney Sussex College, a constituent college of the University of Cambridge in England founded in 1596 under the terms of the will of Frances Sidney, Countess of Sussex (1531–1589) and named after its foundress.

In the archives at Sidney Sussex College in Cambridge, researching an essay about Samuel Ward, one of the King James translators and, later, the college’s master, professor Jeffrey Alan Miller of Montclair State University, discovered an unassuming notebook about the size of a modern paperback, wrapped in a stained piece of waste vellum and filled with some 70 pages of Ward’s nearly indecipherable handwriting.

The notebook had been catalogued in the 1980s as a “verse-by-verse biblical commentary” with “Greek word studies, and some Hebrew notes.” But as Professor Miller tried to puzzle out which passages of the Bible it concerned, he realized what it was: a draft of parts of the King James Version of the Apocrypha, a disputed section of the Bible that is left out of many editions, particularly in the United States.

“There was a kind of thunderstruck, leap-out-of-bathtub moment,”

Professor Miller said.

“But then comes the more laborious process of making sure you are 100 percent correct.”

The draft, Professor Miller argues, dates from between 1604, when the King James Bible was commissioned, and 1608, when the six teams were asked to send their work to the general committee for review. Unlike the other surviving drafts, which scholars date to later parts of the process, it shows an individual translator’s initial puzzling over aspects of the Greek text of the Apocrypha, indicating the reasoning behind his translation choices, with reference to Hebrew and Latin as well.

“You can actually see the way Greek, Latin and Hebrew are all feeding into what will become the most widely read work of English literature of all time,”

Professor Miller said. He also came to see the thought process and how much hard work and discussion may have been part of the whole process.

The draft, he argues, also complicates one long-cherished aspect of the “mythos,” as he put it, surrounding the King James: that it was a collaborative project through and through.

“There’s a strong desire to see the King James Bible as a uniform object, and a belief that it’s great because of its collaborative nature,”

Professor Miller said and continued

“It was incredibly collaborative, but it was done in a much more complicated, nuanced, and at times individualistic way than we’ve ever really had good evidence to believe.”

In the articles on our main site (Belgian Bible Students) we look in several articles at the work done to bring over the Word of God in English and other languages. We also point to the fact that in whatever language you may find a Bible translation you may count on it that you shall be finding the Word of God, which shall enable you to come to insight and to comprehensiongrasping the meaning of the many things seen and unseen.

Matthew 5:8 KJV-1611 Blessed are the pure in heart: for they shall see God.

But those who spread false messages, they themselves and those who want to believe them more than the Word of God shall have more difficulties to come to see the truth.

Matthew 13:11-17 KJV-1611 (11) He answered, and said vnto them, Because it is giuen vnto you to know the mysteries of the kingdome of heauen, but to them it is not giuen. (12) For whosoeuer hath, to him shall be giuen, and he shall haue more abundance: but whosoeuer hath not, from him shall be taken away, euen that hee hath. (13) Therefore speake I to then in parables: because they seeing, see not: and hearing, they heare not, neither doe they vnderstand. (14) And in them is fulfilled the prophecie of Esaias, which saith, By hearing ye shall heare, and shall not vnderstand: and seeing yee shall see, and shall not perceiue. (15) For this peoples heart is waxed grosse, and their eares are dull of hearing, and their eyes they haue closed, lest at any time they should see with their eyes, and heare with their eares, and should vnderstand with their heart, and should be conuerted, and I should heale them. (16) But blessed are your eyes, for they see: and your eares, for they heare. (17) For verely I say vnto you, that many Prophets, and righteous men haue desired to see those things which yee see, and haue not seene them: and to heare those things which ye heare, and haue not heard them.

Hebrews 11:1-3 KJV-1611 (1) Now faith is the substance of things hoped for, the euidence of things not seen. (2) For by it the Elders obtained a good report. (3) Through faith we vnderstand that the worlds were framed by the word of God, so that things which are seene were not made of things which doe appeare.

2 Peter 3:5 KJV-1611 For this they willingly are ignorant of, that by the word of God the heauens were of olde, and the earth standing out of the water, and in the water,

Romans 1:19-21 KJV-1611 (19) Because that which may bee knowen of God, is manifest in them, for God hath shewed it vnto them. (20) For the inuisible things of him from the Creation of the world, are clearely seene, being vnderstood by the things that are made, euen his eternall Power and Godhead, so that they are without excuse: (21) Because that when they knew God, they glorified him not as God, neither were thankefull, but became vaine in their imaginations, and their foolish heart was darkened:

Glorification happens a.o. by recognising the Name of God. They that prefer to use bible translations where the name of God is exchanged into the word “Lord” and also call Jesus their “Lord” do injustice to god and to His only begotten son. Their use of Lord can depend on their limited knowledge of the Biblical Truth, but then they should be open for the Bible showing them clearly the names of the true Biblical characters – showing the difference between the Most High God Lord of lords  יהוה  (YHWH or JHWH) Jehovah (Iehovah in the original KJV) and the other Lord of lords  יהושע Jeshua (Jesus or “Iesus the sonne of Dauid” in the original KJV), the son of God. Honour should be done to the Holy Name of God and that is not done by taking away His Name from where it stood in the original old manuscripts. Often such name removal is done so that people can come to think that Lord (God) would be the same as that other Lord (Jesus) so it can fit the false teaching of the Trinity. Therefore the most negative views against bible translations which use a more accurate translation according to new finds and have the Name of god placed everywhere it is written in the original ancient manuscripts, come from fierce advocates and supporters of the three-unit theory (the three-headed god or Trinity). All people all over the world should better use the most up-to date translation next to older translations to more easily come to recognise that Jesus (Jeshua/Iesu/Iesus) is not God (Jehovah/Iehovah) but the only begotten beloved son of God.

Matthew 3:16-17 KJV-1611 (16) And Iesus, when hee was baptized, went vp straightway out of the water: and loe, the heauens were opened vnto him, and he saw the Spirit of God descending like a doue, and lighting vpon him. (17) And loe, a voice from heauen, saying, This is my beloued Sonne, in whom I am well pleased.

We should not think lightly and say “What’s in a name?“, because concerning the Name of the Most High Divine Creator that Holy or Divine Name of the Self Existent is very important. therefore we should show respect to the Bible translators who took care that This Set-Apart or Great Name is replaced there where God it provided in the original or ancient writings. After the 17th and 19th century now, we having early inscriptions in Ancient Hebrew like the Khirbet Qeiyafa Inscription (11th–10th century BCE), and many others which were not yet found before the 20th century, we should use those findings to our advancement in understanding the Word of God.

Clearly the KJV-only people do not want to know about such new findings and are not at all interested in accuracy according the knowledge we can get from the material found after 1611.

Those KJV-only people ignore God’s Power and do not believe people shall come to see what God wants by every Word of Him that comes unto the ears of a person even when they try to delude people from the Truth. We also know that we should be aware of the growing Godlessness in the Last Days, of which the apostle Paul speaks in his letter to his friend Timothy, and as such shall find more agitation against those who sincerely love God and want to follow the footsteps of God’s son.

2 Timothy 3:13 KJV-1611 (13) But euill men and seducers shall waxe worse and worse, deceiuing, and being deceiued.

2 Timothy 3:16-17 KJV-1611 (16) All Scripture is giuen by inspiration of God, & is profitable for doctrine, for reproofe, for correction, for instrution in righteousnesse, (17) That the man of God may be perfect, throughly furnished vnto all good workes.

Those KJV-only people seem to forget that the Almighty is so Powerful that the whole  Scripture, being sold as the Word of God, is God-breathed and is useful for teaching, for reproof, for conviction, for correction, and for training in righteousness, so that those people who want to love God and be one of His children may be complete, thoroughly equipped, furnished for every good action and every good work. If they think al those who want to work for God would not be competent for the work they do or did, they ignore that biblical saying or they think they are more valuable and have more knowledge than those who sincerely studied for several years the way to analyse and to do research in language and archaeological matters.

Those who are against all the hard work of contemporary translators proof that they have no Biblical faith, which is build on real trust.

Trust (3), some would think,  can only occur after intellectual assent (2), based on evidence and thought. Intellectual assent can only occur after the propositional information (1) is known. They seem not to believe that ‘intellectual assent’ is still possible today. We see that many churches today accepts propositional information and trust, but deny intellectual assent. The conservative evangelical Protestant Christian Wintery Knight calls this

“fideism” or “blind faith”. Ironically, activist atheists, (the New Atheists), also believe that faith is blind. The postmodern “emergent church” denies 1 and 2. A person could accept propositional information and 2 (intellectual assent) but deny 3 (trust) by not re-prioritizing their life based on what they know to be true. {Is the Bible’s definition of faith opposed to logic and evidence?}

All those who worked in translationcommittees, very often found themselves to work together with people of different denominations = different faith, and different opinions and different background, but trusted each other in having the same goal, to create a representable good translation in whatever language they hoped to produce. We must have faith in such people that they sincerely know the value of god’s Word and how important it is to bring it over rightly to others. In the old days the Words of God had to go from one mouth to the other, and everybody knew that God spoke by the mouth of His prophets, and each one telling others what was said by the prophets feared God more than man and knew they had to bring god His words over rightly.

Numbers 12:6-8 KJV-1611 (6) And hee saide, Heare now my words: If there be a Prophet among you, I the Lord will make my selfe knowen vnto him in a vision, and will speake vnto him in a dreame: (7) My seruant Moses is not so, who is faithfull in all mine house. (8) With him will I speake mouth to mouth euen apparantly, and not in darke speeches, and the similitude of the Lord shall hee behold: wherefore then were yee not afraid to speake against my seruant Moses?

Ezekiel 1:3 KJV-1611 The word of the Lord came expresly vnto Ezekiel the Priest, the sonne of Buzi, in the land of the Caldeans, by the riuer Chebar, and the hand of the Lord was there vpon him.

Habakkuk 2:2 KJV-1611 And the Lord answered me and said, write the vision, and make it plaine vpon tables, that he may runne that readeth it.

Many prophets wrote down the Words of God and their prophesies were never written from their own thought. Maybe people do not have to believe people today still can hear the Word of God coming from heaven and those KJV-people for sure do not believe the many writers and helpers to produce a good translation of the Word of God would receive answers from above.

2 Peter 1:18-21 KJV-1611 (18) And this voice which came from heauen wee heard, when we were with him in the holy mount. (19) We haue also a more sure word of prophecie, whereunto yee doe well that ye take heede, as vnto a light that shineth in a darke place, vntill the day dawne, and the day starre arise in your hearts: (20) Knowing this first, that no prophecy of the Scripture is of any priuate Interpretation: (21) For the prophecie came not in olde time by the will of man: but holy men of God spake as they were moued by the holy Ghost.

When not believing in the Force of God helping others today you better should listen more to the Words of God like presented to mankind throughout the years. Those non-believers do not want to see the Power of God to protect His Own Word and clearly also show no respect and no faith in the Name of God, though God His Word tells us clearly:

Psalms 113:1-5 KJV-1611 (1) Praise yee the Lord. Praise, O yee seruants of the Lord: praise the name of the Lord. (2) Blessed be the name of the Lord: from this time forth and for euermore. (3) From the rising of the sunne vnto the going downe of the same: the Lords name is to be praised. (4) The Lord is high aboue all nations: and his glory aboue the heauens. (5) Who is like vnto the Lord our God: who dwelleth on high:

By using Bible versions which keep silent or obscure the Holy Name of God those KJV-only people who use an other version than the original King James bible and are against the other King James Bible versions which present the name of God and of His son, they clearly show how they are an adversary to God and how they do not believe that God’s Word shall stand for ever.

Isaiah 40:4-5 KJV-1611 Euery valley shalbe exalted, and euery mountaine and hill shalbe made low: and the crooked shall be made straight, and the rough places plaine. (5) And the glory of the Lord shall be reuealed, and all flesh shall see it together: for the mouth of the Lord hath spoken it.

Isaiah 40:8 KJV-1611 The grasse withereth, the flowre fadeth: but the word of our God shall stand for euer.

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Preceding

A Book to trust #1 Background book for debate

A Book to trust #2 Book of Truth

A Book to trust #3 Creation and Creator

A Book to trust #4 Cause of Being and Truth

A Book to trust #5 Words directed to create order

A Book to trust #6 True God and true words

A Book to trust #7 Heavenly Father not withholding knowledge

A Book to trust #8 Father of the universe wanting His creatures to know Him

A Book to trust #9 Consistency

A Book to trust #10 Archaeology confirming or denying claims of the Bible #1 Old Testament

A Book to trust #11 Archaeology confirming or denying claims of the Bible #2 New Testament

A Book to trust #12 Archaeology confirming or denying claims of the Bible #3 Material evidence to survive

A Book to trust #13 Books for education and adjustment

A Book to trust #14 Writings to show The God #1 The I Am that I Am

A Book to trust #15 Writings to show The God #2 Importance of Being

A Book to trust #16 Biblical archaeology vs Historical science or study #1 Flat or round earth

A Book to trust #17 Biblical archaeology vs Historical science or study #2 Relevance of Biblical record

A Book to trust #18 Available in many languages #1

A Book to trust #19 Available in many languages #2

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A Book to trust #21

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Additional reading

  1. Background to look at things
  2. An uncovering book to explore
  3. Bible Word from GodBible in the first place #3/3
  4. God’s Blog recorded in a Book
  5. Creator and Blogger God 10 A Blog of a Book 4 Listening to the Blogger
  6. Necessary to be known all over the earth
  7. Necessity of a revelation of creation 2 Organisation of a system of things
  8. Necessity of a revelation of creation 9 Searching the Scriptures
  9. Necessity of a revelation of creation 10 Instructions for insight and wisdom
  10. Necessity of a revelation of creation 12 Words assembled for wisdom and instruction
  11. God-breathed prophetic words written torah and the mitzvot to teach us
  12. Written for our instruction, that through perseverance and the encouragement of the Scriptures we might have hope
  13. God Statements recorded in a book
  14. True God giving His Word for getting wisdom
  15. No other god besides Jehovah who gives all explanation
  16. Challenging claim 2 Inspired by God 1 Simple words
  17. Challenging claim 4 Inspired by God 3 Self-consistent Word of God
  18. Missional hermeneutics 5/5
  19. Rare original King James Bible discovered
  20. Souls and Religions with Nirvana and light
  21. A solution for a damaged relationship 3 Insight and prophesies given
  22. Hearing words to accept
  23. The Metaphorical language of the Bible
  24. Bible Translating and Concordance Making
  25. Bible, helmet of salvation, God’s Words put in the mouth of prophets for perfecting, to reprove and correct
  26. Bible, God’s Word to edify (ERV)
  27. No prophecy of the scripture is of any private interpretation
  28. Testimonies to observe, inspired by God
  29. Today’s thought “Man lives by every word that comes from the mouth of Jehovah” (April 24)
  30. the Bible – God’s guide for life #9 Gospels not only place to find ‘the mind which was in Christ’
  31. Bible, sword of the Spirit to come into the unity of the faith and of the knowledge of the Son of God, unto a perfect man
  32. Old and newer King James Versions and other translations #5 Further steps to women’s bibles
  33. Matthew 13 – Parables on Kingdom mysteries
  34. Daily portion of heavenly food
  35. Forbidden fruit
  36. Clothe yourselves with compassion, kindness, humility, gentleness and patience
  37. Obstacles to effective evangelism
  38. Blindness in the Christian world
  39. Blinkered minds
  40. The Trinity matter
  41. Trinity – behind a false doctrine
  42. Trinity – History
  43. Looking for wisdom not departing from God’s Word
  44. The holy spirit will bring back to your minds all the things told
  45. Don’t Harden Your Heart
  46. Bearing fruit

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  4. Why King James Bible Only? (by Red Pill insights)
  5. Researching outside of the Bible is it safe?
  6. “Contradictions” or “Correctores” ? Which is the Culprit ?
  7. The Divine Name of God: Spoken by Jesus and Early True Christians (An Archeological, Logical and Biblical Proofs)
  8. The Name of God: Should We Used it or Not?
  9. The divine name of God its pronunciation and importance
  10. The Presence of God #8 July 17, 2018
  11. Who He Is – Psalm 67:1-2
  12. Faith and Two Coins
  13. God wants It To Go Well With You – By Laurence Torr
  14. The Seen And The Unseen
  15. Revealed In Us
  16. The glorification of man in God [761]
  17. The State of the Church Changed When the Word was Made Flesh
  18. John 1:14-18丨Jesus: Glory, Grace, and God丨John MacArthur
  19. Knowing
  20. The Greatness Of God
  21. Praise The Lord According To His Excellent Greatness
  22. Sing Praises To God
  23. Hallowed Be Your Name
  24. Powerful Name
  25. Do Everything for the Glory of God
  26. Daily Devo: God Receives Glory in Judgement and in Redemption, Romans 3:1-10
  27. Glorify God in Your Sickness
  28. The Will Of God
  29. christian documentary “The One Who Holds Sovereignty Over Everything” | Power of God (Documentary Trailer)
  30. Power of God at work in us
  31. Truth for the Battle – Deuteronomy 1:25-32
  32. The Power of God
  33. On your face
  34. Marinating in the God LifePlay button
  35. The Call Of God – Part 2
  36. Praying to the Powerful God [30 Days of Prayer]
  37. Our God is greater
  38. The Awesome Power of God
  39. The Holy Spirit – Part 1
  40. Receiving the Blessing
  41. Hidden power
  42. Where’s The Power?
  43. The unpopular work of the Holy Spirit
  44. The Call of Thunder
  45. Ruth 3: 18 – Sit still; Psalms 46 – Be still – To see the glory of God
  46. Sitting Athwart God’s Plan
  47. More courage needed
  48. His Power from Beginning to End – Dr. Martyn Lloyd-Jones Audio Sermons
  49. End Times Purpose and Power of God Almighty
  50. The Covenant People of the Lord Are Armed with Righteousness and the Power of God
  51. Ignorance of the Word
  52. Receiving the filling is activating the power
  53. All We Need
  54. Holy Spirit Transforms Remnant into Living Menorah
  55. God’s Power in Our Weakness
  56. God is Above All
  57. Paul’s Gospel: A Source of Shame or the Power of God? Rom 1:16-17
  58. He is Mightier than All the Earth
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