How adversaries of God twist the word of the Bible and want to tell about heir Jesus

When we scroll onto the net about Jesus and God we often encounter lots of name-Christians who use verses to reply to others with questions about the divinity of Jesus which not at all say that Jesus is God, but they either do not understand what those verses are saying. Or they deliberately bring a different understanding to those verses in order to prove, so to speak, that Jesus would be God.

As an example, we would like to highlight one of the many websites that seek to bring people to another Jesus and his God than the Jesus from the Bible.

With The Fathers Feet they say they want to focus on

“learning from our Father at His feet, as His dear children.”

but when we look at which Father and which son they focus on, that is not on the Biblical one and when people ask questions about their Trinity, their Jesus and their god, they seem to be cross or react not pleased, writing for example:

I am not quite sure exactly why you have chosen to come to my blog and argue doctrine with me. {Let Me Tell You About My Jesus}

A lady that says she loves the Lord Jesus Christ and claims that she wants to follow him wholeheartedly in every area and every aspect of her life and is hoping that she then, in the end, would come to hear,

“Well done thou good and faithful servant.

could be surprised to find that there would be a Jesus telling

I do not know you.

She seems to forget that Jesus wants his followers to praise and worship his God and not a three-headed god like she does.

What bothers us most is that she also writes

If you do not know Jesus but would like to know more about Him, please read the following blog titled, Never let Us Go. God bless.

and talks about the hope we should have in God, which is very good when she would mean the same God of Christ, the God of gods (what she does not). With good reason she says

You have to know God and know that He is a rewarder of those who diligently seek Him.{Never let Us Go}

Though then people should seek the Only One True God of the Bible, the God of Israel Who is also the God of Jesus and his disciples.

The Christadelphians tried to show her she was misled and is misleading others by false teaching, she’s telling that Jesus would be God.

She comes up with the classic verses of John 14:7-11, which many Trinitarians bring forward, about knowing the Father by knowing Christ. It are verses where Jesus employed the language of “God manifestation” characteristic of the Old Testament. Accredited representatives exercising divine power and authority bore the divine name. (See #Ex 23:20,21). In several places in Scriptures, we are told God sent people to the earth like he sent His only begotten beloved son, who brought the supreme manifestation

”God was manifest in the flesh.” (#1Ti 3:16).

Although not “Very God” Jesus was justified in saying

“he that hath seen me hath seen the Father”

since the Father had delegated this authority and power to Jesus Christ. (See #Jo. 5:19,22,23,30).Also by watching how Jesus behaved and what he did, we could see from where he came and could recognise attributes which also could be found by his heavenly Father.
In those verses, one can clearly see that is spoken about two different personalities.

“Jesus gave them this answer: “I tell you the truth, the Son can do nothing by himself; he can do only what he sees his Father doing, because whatever the Father does the Son also does.” (Joh 5:19 NIV)

“22 Moreover, the Father judges no-one, but has entrusted all judgment to the Son, 23 that all may honour the Son just as they honour the Father. He who does not honour the Son does not honour the Father, who sent him.” (Joh 5:22-23 NIV)

When Jesus would be God he would be able to do everything that he wants to do, but he tells us :

“By myself I can do nothing; I judge only as I hear, and my judgment is just, for I seek not to please myself but him who sent me.” (Joh 5:30 NIV)

The Trinitarian blog writer gives the impression that she does not understand that Jesus is the ideal way to come to know Jehovah God, Jesus his heavenly Father. The words of the Bible also tell us that it is by Jesus that we can come to God. Nowhere does it say that Jesus is God. Everywhere it tells us that Jesus is the sent one from God, the authorised one from God, the mediator between God and man and, most important, that he is the son of man and son of God.

“Jesus answered, “I am the way and the truth and the life. No-one comes to the Father except through me.” (Joh 14:6 NIV)

“I am the gate; whoever enters through me will be saved. He will come in and go out, and find pasture.” (Joh 10:9 NIV)

“through whom we have gained access by faith into this grace in which we now stand. And we rejoice in the hope of the glory of God.” (Ro 5:2 NIV)

“For through him we both have access to the Father by one Spirit.” (Eph 2:18 NIV)

“by a new and living way opened for us through the curtain, that is, his body,” (Heb 10:20 NIV)

“Again Jesus said, “Peace be with you! As the Father has sent me, I am sending you.”” (Joh 20:21 NIV)

“But when the time had fully come, God sent his Son, born of a woman, born under law,” (Ga 4:4 NIV)

“And he has given him authority to judge because he is the Son of Man.” (Joh 5:27 NIV)

“Jesus answered, “You would have no power over me if it were not given to you from above. Therefore the one who handed me over to you is guilty of a greater sin.”” (Joh 19:11 NIV)

“For there is one God and one mediator between God and men, the man Christ Jesus,” (1Ti 2:5 NIV)

“to Jesus the mediator of a new covenant, and to the sprinkled blood that speaks a better word than the blood of Abel.” (Heb 12:24 NIV)

Further, she also mentions Matthew 28:18-20 not seeing that Jesus is mentioning there that all power is given unto him from heaven and as such does not come from him, which it would have done if Jesus would be God.

“Then Jesus came to them and said, “All authority in heaven and on earth has been given to me.” (Mt 28:18 NIV)

“”All things have been committed to me by my Father. No-one knows the Son except the Father, and no-one knows the Father except the Son and those to whom the Son chooses to reveal him.” (Mt 11:27 NIV)

“”Yes, it is as you say,” Jesus replied. “But I say to all of you: In the future you will see the Son of Man sitting at the right hand of the Mighty One and coming on the clouds of heaven.”” (Mt 26:64 NIV)

Lots of Trinitarians forget that Jesus is coming to sit next to God, Who Jesus considers greater than himself and Who is Master above Christ.

“”You heard me say, ‘I am going away and I am coming back to you.’ If you loved me, you would be glad that I am going to the Father, for the Father is greater than I.” (Joh 14:28 NIV)

“Jesus said, “Do not hold on to me, for I have not yet returned to the Father. Go instead to my brothers and tell them, ‘I am returning to my Father and your Father, to my God and your God.’”” (Joh 20:17 NIV)

“Now I want you to realise that the head of every man is Christ, and the head of the woman is man, and the head of Christ is God.” (1Co 11:3 NIV)

“When he has done this, then the Son himself will be made subject to him who put everything under him, so that God may be all in all.” (1Co 15:28 NIV)

Remarkable by a lot of Trinitarians is that they forget that they have to be in union or unity with Christ and with God in the same way as Jesus is in unity with God. Though, that unity with God they consider as proof that Jesus should be God, forgetting that such unity, in the same way, would make us also to be God as well as to be Christ. Such a way of thinking is naturally ridiculous.

Man should know that God is no liar. He always tells the truth and as such when He says Jesus is His son people should believe that.

The lady of the above-mentioned website says she also believes that God does not lie, though she does not accept that Jesus is the son of God, because she thinks Jesus is God incarnated. Hereby she does not wonder what would be the use of such coming very late in history unto the world to fake His death and to take away the hope for a man to raise out of the death. She also makes then a very cruel being of that god, saying salvation is unto us but he let us still suffer and lets everything going on for many centuries. When Jesus would be God we do not have a proof at all that a human being can get out of the dead.

She also seems to forget that Jesus was really a man who really died, whilst God is no man and cannot die. Man can also do nothing to God, Though Jesus was tortured and killed. In case Jesus is God, then God would have faked His death. This should wonder us then what the use of that acting would be and could have wonder if He is still trustworthy? By Trinitarians a lot of credibility of God is taken away.

Therefore let us look at some elements around God and His son so many Trinitarians come up with. She remarks:

hopefully about God

He is not a man that He should lie (Numbers 23:19).

In the Bible we find that God is no man (Remember that Jesus was a man and a son of man.):

“God is not a man, that he should lie, nor a son of man, that he should change his mind. Does he speak and then not act? Does he promise and not fulfil?” (Nu 23:19 NIV)

“Once for all, I have sworn by my holiness—and I will not lie to David—” (Ps 89:35 NIV)

“a faith and knowledge resting on the hope of eternal life, which God, who does not lie, promised before the beginning of time,” (Tit 1:2 NIV)

And the Bible tells us also that This Unseen Spirit Being knows everything and is almighty.

“When Abram was ninety-nine years old, the LORD appeared to him and said, “I am God Almighty; walk before me and be blameless.” (Ge 17:1 NIV)

“But,” he said, “you cannot see my face, for no-one may see me and live.”” (Ex 33:20 NIV)

“God is spirit, and his worshippers must worship in spirit and in truth.”” (Joh 4:24 NIV)

Jesus the Bible tells us was a man who had a beginning, was born and had to learn everything. He was seen by many, who did not fall dead. At the end of his life he still did not know a lot of things, like when the end-times would be or who would be seated next to him. He also said such things are only known by God. But when Jesus is God then he would know it and as such would not have told the truth, which we would call “be lying”. But from Scriptures we also learn that Jesus was without fault and as such did not tell lies. This means that when he said he could not do anything without his Father he was telling the truth. And by that heavenly Father he meant God, whom he considered greater than himself. He also showed his wounds to prove he is not a Spirit like his heavenly Father is Spirit and has no bones nor flesh (all things Jesus had).

“Look at my hands and my feet. It is I myself! Touch me and see; a ghost does not have flesh and bones, as you see I have.”” (Lu 24:39 NIV)

“God is spirit, and his worshippers must worship in spirit and in truth.”” (Joh 4:24 NIV)

“”You heard me say, ‘I am going away and I am coming back to you.’ If you loved me, you would be glad that I am going to the Father, for the Father is greater than I.” (Joh 14:28 NIV)

“Jesus said, “Do not hold on to me, for I have not yet returned to the Father. Go instead to my brothers and tell them, ‘I am returning to my Father and your Father, to my God and your God.’”” (Joh 20:17 NIV)

Strangely she does say that

Jesus is our High priest. He is the Only way to the Father (John 14:6).

but does not seem to believe that, because she thinks Jesus is God himself and as such he would be the way to himself, instead of being the way to whom Jesus considers his God, and the way to the entrance of God’s Kingdom. All people should know that salvation comes by that son of man who is the son of God. There is also no reason God would be a priest for himself!

“Jesus answered, “I am the way and the truth and the life. No-one comes to the Father except through me.” (Joh 14:6 NIV)

“I am the gate; whoever enters through me will be saved. He will come in and go out, and find pasture.” (Joh 10:9 NIV)

“through whom we have gained access by faith into this grace in which we now stand. And we rejoice in the hope of the glory of God.” (Ro 5:2 NIV)

“Salvation is found in no-one else, for there is no other name under heaven given to men by which we must be saved.”” (Ac 4:12 NIV)

Like many others, she puts words in the mouth of Christ which were said by God. For example, she writes

Jesus also is:
Almighty One (Revelation 1:8)
Alpha and Omega (Revelation 22:13)

The Book of Revelation might be very difficult to follow for many, but when one looks carefully at the words it is clear whom is speaking about whom. The verses she mentions have God saying He is the alpha and omega.

“”I am the Alpha and the Omega,” says the Lord God, “who is, and who was, and who is to come, the Almighty.”” (Re 1:8 NIV)

“”Listen to me, O Jacob, Israel, whom I have called: I am he; I am the first and I am the last.” (Isa 48:12 NIV)

“He said to me: “It is done. I am the Alpha and the Omega, the Beginning and the End. To him who is thirsty I will give to drink without cost from the spring of the water of life.” (Re 21:6 NIV)

“I am the Alpha and the Omega, the First and the Last, the Beginning and the End.” (Re 22:13 NIV)

Either consciously or unconsciously she wrote that Jesus said something, but strangely  enough, she recognises that Jesus also is: “Advocate” (1 John 2:1) but does not hear the rest of the apostles saying

“My dear children, I write this to you so that you will not sin. But if anybody does sin, we have one who speaks to the Father in our defence—Jesus Christ, the Righteous One.” (1Jo 2:1 NIV)

The apostle John writes about a helper and advocate by God, which means he is talking about someone mediating for us or defending us by God. That one he is speaking about is Jesus. Also Paul speaks about that person who is able to help us and to speak for us by God. It is not God Who shall play for an advocate by Himself but His beloved son who shall intermediate or defend us. Trinitarians do forget that mediator or advocate by God is sitting at the right hand of God to intercede for us and them.

“Who is he that condemns? Christ Jesus, who died—more than that, who was raised to life—is at the right hand of God and is also interceding for us.” (Ro 8:34 NIV)

“Therefore he is able to save completely those who come to God through him, because he always lives to intercede for them.” (Heb 7:25 NIV)

Normally we would think she, when reading the Bible, would understand the matter of authority which is given to certain people. Several prophets were allowed to speak in the name of God. She indicates Jesus is: “Authority “(Matthew 28:18) and Author and perfecter of our faith (Hebrews 12:2) but does not seem to be able to see that in the Bible it is not saying that God would be that. It clearly is said in the Bible that it is Jesus who is the Chief Agent and Perfecter of our faith.

“Let us fix our eyes on Jesus, the author and perfecter of our faith, who for the joy set before him endured the cross, scorning its shame, and sat down at the right hand of the throne of God.” (Heb 12:2 NIV)

Jesus being our advocate is because his heavenly Father, Jehovah God allows it so to be. Jesus was first lower than angels, but was later exalted by God. God has always been the highest and shall always be the highest. He did not make Himself higher, but made Jesus higher.

“God exalted him to his own right hand as Prince and Saviour that he might give repentance and forgiveness of sins to Israel.” (Ac 5:31 NIV)

“In bringing many sons to glory, it was fitting that God, for whom and through whom everything exists, should make the author of their salvation perfect through suffering.” (Heb 2:10 NIV)

Several Trinitarians give as proof that Jesus would be God them saying

Jesus is
Bread of Life (John 6:35)
Beloved Son of God (Matthew 3:17)
Bridegroom (Matthew 9:15)
Chief Cornerstone (Ps. 118:22)
Deliverer (1 Thess, 1:10)
Faithful and True (Rev 19:11)
Good Shepherd (John 10:11)
Great High Priest (Hebrews 4:14)
Head of the church (Ephesians 1:22)
Holy Servant (Acts 4:29-30)

all not seeing that this just proofs otherwise, namely that this are attributes of Jesus Christ and not of God, indicating what is so special about that son of man who is also the son of God.

All Trinitarians also seem to forget that many people say “I Am“. Many people claim that the person who says “I Am” is therefore God. .Saying that Jesus is God because he says “I Am” would make every person who replies the phone or is asked if he or she is so or so, answering positively with “I am” into God. This makes that there are many gods walking on this earth

“”I tell you the truth,” Jesus answered, “before Abraham was born, I am!”” (Joh 8:58 NIV)

“And now, Father, glorify me in your presence with the glory I had with you before the world began.” (Joh 17:5 NIV)

“Who, being in very nature God, did not consider equality with God something to be grasped,” (Php 2:6 NIV)

“”I am,” said Jesus. “And you will see the Son of Man sitting at the right hand of the Mighty One and coming on the clouds of heaven.”” (Mr 14:62 NIV)

Nowhere did Jesus ever claimed to be God. He always mentioned he could not do anything without his heavenly Father Who is greater than him. Though Jesus wanted the people around him to know that he was the person who could help them to come closer to God. He did not say he is God but said he is the “Bread of life” that came down from heaven, indicating that he was sent by God and given to mankind by God.

“Then Jesus declared, “I am the bread of life. He who comes to me will never go hungry, and he who believes in me will never be thirsty.” (Joh 6:35 NIV)

“At this the Jews began to grumble about him because he said, “I am the bread that came down from heaven.”” (Joh 6:41 NIV)

“I am the bread of life.” (Joh 6:48 NIV)

“I am the living bread that came down from heaven. If anyone eats of this bread, he will live for ever. This bread is my flesh, which I will give for the life of the world.”” (Joh 6:51 NIV)

“I told you that you would die in your sins; if you do not believe that I am the one I claim to be, you will indeed die in your sins.”” (Joh 8:24 NIV)

One of the many verses Trinitarians keep ignoring are the following sayings of Jesus

“So Jesus said, “When you have lifted up the Son of Man, then you will know that I am the one I claim to be and that I do nothing on my own but speak just what the Father has taught me.” (Joh 8:28 NIV)

“what about the one whom the Father set apart as his very own and sent into the world? Why then do you accuse me of blasphemy because I said, ‘I am God’s Son’?” (Joh 10:36 NIV)

“”I am the true vine, and my Father is the gardener.” (Joh 15:1 NIV)

This making it very clear that Jesus is one person and God another one. Jehovah God is the One Who prepares everything and makes the garden ready for the one who shall bring the right fruit.

When asked if Jesus was the one spoken about and the one they were looking for, Jesus answered positively. He did not say that he was “Ehyeh asher ehyeh” or the “I Am that I Am”  (“I will be that I will be”). Jesus said he was the one they were looking for. Jesus is the Nazarene master teacher who they wanted to persecute.

“5 “Jesus of Nazareth,” they replied. “I am he,” Jesus said. (And Judas the traitor was standing there with them.) 6 When Jesus said, “I am he,” they drew back and fell to the ground. 7 Again he asked them, “Who is it you want?” And they said, “Jesus of Nazareth.” 8 “I told you that I am he,” Jesus answered. “If you are looking for me, then let these men go.”” (Joh 18:5-8 NIV)

“”Who are you, Lord?” Saul asked. “I am Jesus, whom you are persecuting,” he replied.” (Ac 9:5 NIV)

“”‘Who are you, Lord?’ I asked. “‘I am Jesus of Nazareth, whom you are persecuting,’ he replied.” (Ac 22:8 NIV)

“”Then I asked, ‘Who are you, Lord?’ “‘I am Jesus, whom you are persecuting,’ the Lord replied.” (Ac 26:15 NIV)

Several Trinitarians, like the lady that claims to love “the Lord Jesus Christ and wants to follow Him wholeheartedly in every area every aspect of her life”, insist that Jesus would be God because he is called Immanuel (God with us or “with us is God”) (Isaiah 7:14) She forgets that more than one person was and are still called like that and that we have next to Jeshua (Jesus) also the other prophet Joshua, both having the same name, being called that way in the hope that Jehovah would bring salvation by them, God being with them.

“Therefore the Lord himself will give you a sign: The virgin will be with child and will give birth to a son, and will call him Immanuel.” (Isa 7:14 NIV)

“”The virgin will be with child and will give birth to a son, and they will call him Immanuel”— which means, “God with us.”” (Mt 1:23 NIV)

“and sweep on into Judah, swirling over it, passing through it and reaching up to the neck. Its outspread wings will cover the breadth of your land, O Immanuel!”” (Isa 8:8 NIV)

“Devise your strategy, but it will be thwarted; propose your plan, but it will not stand, for God is with us.” (Isa 8:10 NIV)

They do seem to overlook the fact that there too is told the person bringing salvation shall come out of the womb of a young woman (a maiden or virgin). That son to be born comes from Jehovah God. He is the sent one from God and not God Himself. He will be an

Indescribable Gift (2 Corinthians 9:15)

“Thanks be to God for his indescribable gift!” (2Co 9:15 NIV)

At the same time those Trinitarians seem to forget that this sent son of man and son of God will be our advocate but also our judge, who is appointed by God.

Judge (Acts 10:42)

“He commanded us to preach to the people and to testify that he is the one whom God appointed as judge of the living and the dead.” (Ac 10:42 NIV)

One can give an endless list of verses to indicate that Jesus is not God, but strangely enough the female writer of the above mentioned article does not seem to see that the titles she give to prove that Jesus is God just tell the opposite and clearly tell us that Jesus is

King of kings (Rev 17:14)
Lamb of God (John 1:29)
Light of the World (John 8:12)
Lion of the tribe of Judah (Rev 5:5)
Lord of All (Phil. 2:9-11)
Mediator (1 Tim. 2:15)
Messiah (John 1:41)
Mighty One (Isaiah 60:16)
One who sets free (John 8:36)
Our Hope (1 Timothy 1:1)
Peace (Ephesians 2:14)
Prophet (Mark 6:4)
Redeemer (Job 19:25)
Risen Lord (1 Corinthians 15:3-4)
Rock (1 Cor. 10:4)
Sacrifice for our sins (1 John 4:10)
Savior (Luke 2:11)
Son of Man (Luke 19:10)
Son of the Most High (Luke 1:32)

Resurrection and the Life (John 11:25)
The Door (John 10:9)
The Way (John 14:6)
The Word (John 1:1)
True Vine (John 15:1)
Truth (John 8:32)
Victorious One (Revelation 3:21)
Wonderful, Counselor, Mighty God, Everlasting Father, prince of Peace (Isaiah 9:6)

She is just one example who falls in the same trap of the false teachings of Trinitarian clergy and instead of using her own logical thinking and believing the words of the Bible like they are written, prefers to go by that tradition of false teaching.

We do hope you could find already enough words from the Bible to convince you of the Biblical Truth that Jesus is the man like he is announced in the Bible: the son of God.

“But when the time had fully come, God sent his Son, born of a woman, born under law,” (Ga 4:4 NIV)

“She will give birth to a son, and you are to give him the name Jesus, because he will save his people from their sins.”” (Mt 1:21 NIV)

Let us give ear to what God Himself says about that Nazarene man, whom many call Jesus:

“And a voice from heaven said, “This is my Son, whom I love; with him I am well pleased.”” (Mt 3:17 NIV)

“”Here is my servant whom I have chosen, the one I love, in whom I delight; I will put my Spirit on him, and he will proclaim justice to the nations.” (Mt 12:18 NIV)

“While he was still speaking, a bright cloud enveloped them, and a voice from the cloud said, “This is my Son, whom I love; with him I am well pleased. Listen to him!”” (Mt 17:5 NIV)

And let us listen also to that sent one from God, who was considered by God to be His beloved son and the bringer of salvation enabling us for eternal life.

“”For God so loved the world that he gave his one and only Son, that whoever believes in him shall not perish but have eternal life.” (Joh 3:16 NIV)

“and the Holy Spirit descended on him in bodily form like a dove. And a voice came from heaven: “You are my Son, whom I love; with you I am well pleased.”” (Lu 3:22 NIV)

“A voice came from the cloud, saying, “This is my Son, whom I have chosen; listen to him.”” (Lu 9:35 NIV)

“For he received honour and glory from God the Father when the voice came to him from the Majestic Glory, saying, “This is my Son, whom I love; with him I am well pleased.”” (2Pe 1:17 NIV)

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Preceding

A Book to trust #2 Book of Truth

A Book to trust #14 Writings to show The God #1 The I Am that I Am

A Book to trust #28 A Collection of words showing and teaching us about the beginnings to the end

A Book to trust #29 God His Book, God-breathed profitable for doctrine, for reproof and for correction

Possible arguments and proofs about the existence of God #2

Main verses in the Bible telling us Who God is #2 Some outstanding qualities of God

Main verses in the Bible telling us Who God is #7 The Stronghold and Rock God a Refuge and strong Shield and Tower

Main verses in the Bible telling us Who God is #8 Some more attributes of God

The Most Appropriate teacher and Scoffers in our contemporary age

Following a Person or a Belief

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Additional reading

  1. Knowing God
  2. God of gods
  3. The Almighty Lord God of gods King above all gods
  4. El Shaddai Who appeared unto Abraham
  5. Only One God
  6. God is one
  7. Believe in One God
  8. Trinity
  9. Behind a False doctrine – the Trinity
  10. Trinity matter
  11. Trinity – history
  12. Trinity – the Truth about God
  13. Attributes to God
  14. Character of God
  15. Spirit of God
  16. Holy Ghost or Holy Spirit
  17. God’s Truth
  18. El Shaddai – the Strong One
  19. The faithful God
  20. Our Father in heaven
  21. Jehovah Host of hosts
  22. God the Father
  23. Salvation is of the Jews
  24. Ransom for All
  25. Knowing Jesus Rabboni
  26. Reasons that Jesus is Not God
  27. Seeing Jesus
  28. Light of the world
  29. Jesus son of God
  30. Jesus Christ the Messiah
  31. Jesus Christ, his Mission, Life and Work
  32. Jesus’ answers about God’s silence
  33. Jesus son of God or God the son
  34. The son of man given authority by God
  35. Concerning the saying: I and the Father are one
  36. Memorizing wonderfully 42 Equality with God & doing nothing of himself
  37. Words of Jesus preached with authority and conviction and fishes to fry
  38. Atonement And Fellowship 4/8
  39. Atonement And Fellowship 6/8
  40. M:ediator and advocate – one God and one mediator between God and men
  41. One Mediator
  42. Matthew 21:10-11 Who Is This? – a Question still posed today #1
  43. A new decade, To open the eyes to get a right view
  44. Reason to preach #4 Informed followers of Christ
  45. Epitome of the One Faith
  46. Faith
  47. Faith – Concerning Faith and the Gospel
  48. Faith – Possibilities
  49. Faith and works
  50. As Christ’s slaves doing the Will of God in gratitude
  51. To Glorify God and His Son
  52. People believing they need to celebrate the birth of God
  53. God son king and his subjects
  54. Maintaining unity of Spirit in the bond of peace becoming one with God<
  55. A disrespected Father
  56. Looking forward for what is to come
  57. A participation in the body of Christ
  58. One Mind, One Accord
  59. Maintaining unity of Spirit in the bond of peace becoming one with God
  60. Preparing for the Kingdom
  61. A way to prepare for the Kingdom
  62. Engaging the culture without losing the gospel
  63. Wanting to live in Christ’s city

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5 thoughts on “How adversaries of God twist the word of the Bible and want to tell about heir Jesus

  1. Let me tell you a parable of water, ice and steam. There was steam that went to a cold place and became frozen into a block of ice and that block of ice slid close to the fire where it began to melt to water then to steam. Not once was it anything but itself.
    Now God is a Spirit (John 4:24) who became man (John 1:1) who left the body on the cross (Luke 23:46) and as a spirit reentered the man to live again (John 20:11-18), rising to heaven (Acts 1:11) released his spirit to all mankind on the day of Pentecost (Acts 2:38-39) making man a child of God (John 1:12-13).

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    1. That story is one used by a lot of Trinitarians, but it does not prove that Jesus, you or any other person would be God.

      The natural phenomenon of evaporating water is also discussed in the Bible, but not to explain the Godhead, but to form an image of how ingeniously nature works.

      When God, Who is a Spirit took on the body of Christ, like you insinuate, when he is God would still have all attributes of God, like in the above situation the attributes of damp are still those we can find in water. Though Jesus was lower than angels, which would be funny, God being lower than the creatures He created?! Jesus also not knowing everything and needing to learn everything gives a prove that he is not the all-knowing God. In case Jesus is God and as such would have to know everything, several times he then told a lie, saying it was not given to him to know because it is only given to God — but you say he is God — so when he (Jesus) would be God than he (Jesus or God) avoided giving an honest answer and did not tell the truth, which we consider “lying” and mendacity.

      You also seem to miss that the Bible speaks of Jesus, being the anointed of God (again something weird in case Jesus is god) being taken up in heaven not to sit on God’s throne but to sit next to God to be His High-priest and a mediator between Him (Jehovah God) and man.

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    2. Strange to find your Avatar saying that “Just when everything seems hopeless God unselfishly sacrificed His son” when you believe it was God Himself who was sacrificed? How would you explain it that a God Who can not die, would have died on a cross? (And – by the way -that even in a period when the Romans did not yet torture people on a cross, but had criminals and enemies killed on a stake or piece of vertical wood.)

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    3. I am not a scientist, but I do know steam (from water), water and ice do have the same atoms and molecules. The damp or steam when it freezes does not get suddenly boned, flesh and blood, but stays water. So your parable proves that Jesus can not be the same as the Spirit God. Jesus himself says people can see his wounds as a proof that he is not a spirit like his heavenly father is a Spirit and has no flesh, bones and blood, whilst Jesus has flesh, bones and blood.

      “36 And as they thus spake, Jesus himself stood in the midst of them, and saith unto them, Peace be unto you. 37 But they were terrified and affrighted, and supposed that they had seen a spirit. 38 And he said unto them, Why are ye troubled? and why do thoughts arise in your hearts? 39 Behold my hands and my feet, that it is I myself: handle me, and see; for a spirit hath not flesh and bones, as ye see me have. 40 And when he had thus spoken, he shewed them his hands and his feet.” (Lu 24:36-40 AV)

      “God is a Spirit: and they that worship him must worship him in spirit and in truth.” (Joh 4:24 AV)

      John 1:1 in the many bibles I could get under my eyes, nowhere say God became flesh. Though those Bibles all say “the Word became flesh”, it is the speaking that got into the flesh, meaning that the promise spoken by God in the Garden of Eden had come into the flesh by that promised saviour his birth in Bethlehem. From the birth of Jesus onwards those promises of God spoken out more than once in ancient times, became a reality.

      The verses you mention do not say Jesus as God became spirit neither that “as a spirit reentered the man to live again (John 20:11-18), rising to heaven (Acts 1:11)
      Instead, those verses make it clear when Jesus had not ascended to his Father (you see not to his own heaven) but to his own God. So when he would be God would he then have another God?

      “Jesus saith unto her, Touch me not; for I am not yet ascended to my Father: but go to my brethren, and say unto them, I ascend unto my Father, and your Father; and to my God, and your God.” (Joh 20:17 AV)

      Clearly, Jesus is speaking about going to his God, Who is the same God as the one of those ladies at the tomb, who as Jews had the God of Israel as their God (Who is a singular Spirit Being no man can see).

      The verse in the Acts of the Apostles in the Authorised or King James Version nowhere says Jesus would be the same Spirit as God or be gone to heaven as an unseen spirit being. It indicates more that Jesus could be seen (whilst no man can see God and live), and that Jesus would return in a visibly recognisable form.

      “Which also said, Ye men of Galilee, why stand ye gazing up into heaven? this same Jesus, which is taken up from you into heaven, shall so come in like manner as ye have seen him go into heaven.” (Ac 1:11 AV)

      Is the idea of steam and water not contradictory for the Spirit of God and Jesus where the Spirit can not be seen by man, but Jesus could very well be seen by people who did not fall dead and even could touch and feel Jesus? This whilst Allah says:

      “And he said, Thou canst not see my face: for there shall no man see me, and live.” (Ex 33:20 AV)

      “And I will take away mine hand, and thou shalt see my back parts: but my face shall not be seen.” (Ex 33:23 AV)

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