Trinitarians making their proof for existence of God look ridiculous #6

Lots of atheists do not think there is a god or God because there is so much violence and injustice in this world. In case there would be a god, they say this shows how cruel that God must be. They ask

Scared_Child_at_NighttimeWhere is God when a child cries from hunger, fear, loneliness?
Where is God when a young mother dies of breast cancer?
Where is God when we cry out in the night? {Where Is God?}

Today, man has very little or no belief in God! Lots of churches by their way of life have undermined their credibility and the faith in God.

kids today are very intelligent and have clear logic. Things like faith or belief in some invisible being won’t get their attention. They live in an age of modernization and technology. Everything works with the flip of a button or a tap on the screen.
These evolved kids or young people have learnt in school or college methods of arriving at conclusions with careful analysis and using perfect logic. Having studied subjects like physics, maths, astronomy, genetics, economics, etc., they have been exposed to theories and postulations with absolute proof of concepts. {No Belief In God!}

An unconventional jeans/t shirt wearing Guru who teaches using examples of movies & events happening around the world, thinks that the problem lies with  parents who aren’t able to inculcate spiritual or religious discipline in their children, because

The parents are never given any proof of the existence of God by anyone at all. Their old grandparents or parents themselves had no clue about the dogma and belief they followed. Having followed blindly out of fear of retribution or out of respect for elders, these elders never questioned their own beliefs. Some out of apathy or just sheer boredom followed their ancients.
First and foremost the parents should understand God better than their own forefathers and know the truth from the knowers of truth. {No Belief In God!}

That is one of the main problems of those in the main church, they never having taken the guts to investigate what their church was preaching and in which way that was or would be in correspondence with the Bible, the book what they normally should have to follow.

You may say an other big problem is

No one has seen God and neither have the preachers there experienced it. So whatever they are teaching is just through some book or some such training they had taken. This isn’t the case with school or college teachers. In their science or astronomy or genetics studied they have seen proof and got convinced about the subjects so they are absolutely sure about it. But none of the spiritual pundits or teachers have seen God or experienced it so how will they tell what they haven’t seen or experienced. So there won’t be any conviction in them. Their knowledge is faith based and hence can be debunked. So also the knowledge of our forefathers and parents. None can say with conviction anything about God. {No Belief In God!}

Having a knowledge “faith-based” one should consider the base the people wanted to take for their conviction. In the Trinitarian communities it is very clear that at the universities training those priests, ministers, pastors, most of the time is spend at the study of other human beings or theologians their writings, instead of spending most of the time at the study of the Bible.

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Christ’s raising of Lazarus, Athens, 12–13th century

Believers in God have difficulties in showing God because God can not be seen. A passage like the one were God tells to Moses nobody can see Him lets atheists laugh when people say Jesus is God and claim that many could see or would have seen Jesus though they did not fall death, even having Lazarus coming to life again when Jesus called him to see him.

Exodus 33:17-23 (RNKJV)
17 And יהוה said unto Moses, I will do this thing also that thou hast spoken: for thou hast found favour in my sight, and I know thee by name. 18 And he said, I beseech thee, shew me thy glory. 19 And he said, I will make all my goodness pass before thee, and I will proclaim the name of יהוה before thee; and will be gracious to whom I will be gracious, and will shew mercy on whom I will shew mercy. 20 And he said, Thou canst not see my face: for there shall no man see me, and live. 21 And יהוה said, Behold, there is a place by me, and thou shalt stand upon a rock: 22 And it shall come to pass, while my glory passeth by, that I will put thee in a clift of the rock, and will cover thee with my hand while I pass by: 23 And I will take away mine hand, and thou shalt see my back parts: but my face shall not be seen.

John 11:21-22 (AKJV)
21 Then said Martha to Jesus, Lord, if you had been here, my brother had not died. 22 But I know, that even now, whatever you will ask of God, God will give it you.

The atheists laugh at the fact that the ‘so called all-knowing and omnipresent omniscient God’ was not able to be with his friend and avoid him dying and wonder why Jesus again misleads people saying it is something which happened to show the glory of His heavenly Father, when Jesus himself would be God.

Again a reason for non-believers to laugh with the christians and for not believing there exist a God,  because they see a lot who say Jesus is God and as such contradict the words of Jeshua or Jesus who never says he is God, but who says himself he is the son of God who was promised to come into the world.

John 11:1-6 (RNKJV) John 11
1 Now a certain man was sick, named Lazarus, of Bethany, the town of Mary and her sister Martha. 2 (It was that Mary which anointed Yahushua with ointment, and wiped his feet with her hair, whose brother Lazarus was sick.) 3 Therefore his sisters sent unto him, saying, Rabbi, behold, he whom thou lovest is sick. 4 When Yahushua heard that, he said, This sickness is not unto death, but for the glory of יהוה, that the Son of יהוה might be glorified thereby. 5 Now Yahushua loved Martha, and her sister, and Lazarus. 6 When he had heard therefore that he was sick, he abode two days still in the same place where he was.

John 11:11-14 (RNKJV)
11 These things said he: and after that he saith unto them, Our friend Lazarus sleepeth; but I go, that I may awake him out of sleep. 12 Then said his disciples, Rabbi, if he sleep, he shall do well. 13 Howbeit Yahushua spake of his death: but they thought that he had spoken of taking of rest in sleep. 14 Then said Yahushua unto them plainly, Lazarus is dead.

John 11:21-27 (RNKJV)
21 Then said Martha unto Yahushua, Rabbi, if thou hadst been here, my brother had not died. 22 But I know, that even now, whatsoever thou wilt ask of יהוה, יהוה will give it thee. 23 Yahushua saith unto her, Thy brother shall rise again. 24 Martha saith unto him, I know that he shall rise again in the resurrection at the last day. 25 Yahushua said unto her, I am the resurrection, and the life: he that believeth in me, though he were dead, yet shall he live: 26 And whosoever liveth and believeth in me shall never die. Believest thou this? 27 She saith unto him, Yea, master: I believe that thou art the Messiah, the Son of יהוה, which should come into the world.

John 11:36-45 (AKJV)
36 Then said the Jews, Behold how he loved him! 37 And some of them said, Could not this man, which opened the eyes of the blind, have caused that even this man should not have died? 38 Jesus therefore again groaning in himself comes to the grave. It was a cave, and a stone lay on it. 39 Jesus said, Take you away the stone. Martha, the sister of him that was dead, said to him, Lord, by this time he stinks: for he has been dead four days. 40 Jesus said to her, Said I not to you, that, if you would believe, you should see the glory of God? 41 Then they took away the stone from the place where the dead was laid. And Jesus lifted up his eyes, and said, Father, I thank you that you have heard me. 42 And I knew that you hear me always: but because of the people which stand by I said it, that they may believe that you have sent me. 43 And when he thus had spoken, he cried with a loud voice, Lazarus, come forth. 44 And he that was dead came forth, bound hand and foot with grave clothes: and his face was bound about with a napkin. Jesus said to them, Loose him, and let him go. 45 Then many of the Jews which came to Mary, and had seen the things which Jesus did, believed on him.

Because nobody in this world has ever seem some one to come out of the dead such stories are very difficult to take for true. But we may not forget that there have been many witnesses at the time when these events took place.

The guru writes

some atheists haven’t experienced or had beliefs in God, for them God doesn’t exist. But ask the firm believers and sages and they will say God exists.
Now the question is for all practical purposes, why is God not seen by anyone always? So first I will have to tell you the answer differently. God is known as Supreme Divine Consciousness and God is sometimes un-manifest and sometimes manifest. Manifest means taking some form. Let us first analyze the term Supreme which means Highest, Divine which means Godly and Consciousness which means I know!
So if I can put it differently, it would be like this- the highest or biggest stuff called God exists! But I have no idea whether God exists or not! But I know God is there and I don’t need proof of that. {No Belief In God!}

Though when we look at God’s Name He tells us clearly that He Is The Being; God Himself is the Essence of Life, “The Being Itself” Without God there can be no being. He is the Causer of Being. He is the One Who makes “to be”.

Isaiah 42:8 (RNKJV)
8 I am יהוה: that is my name: and my glory will I not give to another, neither my praise to graven images.

Exodus 3:14 (VW)
14 And God said to Moses, I AM THAT I AM. And He said, Thus you shall say to the sons of Israel, I AM has sent me to you.

This Causer of everything has sent many special selected men to the world, whom we call ‘chosen ones’ and ‘prophets‘. Such sent ones are a.o. Moses, Joshua, Samuel, Jeremiah, Nehemiah, Solomon, Isaiah, Hosea, Joel, Amos, Micah, Nahum, Zephania, Haggai, Zecharia, Malachi and Jesus. they all tried to explain who God is, what God has in mind for us and how we should relate to Him.

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Krishna is celebrated in the Vaishnava tradition in various stages of his life, such as Maakhan chor (butter thief).

Those people who believe in manifest and unmanifest beings, thinking God has on occasions taken a form of an animal or a human being, like Jesus or Krisna, or even a cross, do the atheists frown upon such storied tradition. For many this all look fantasies and brings turning heads and raising eyebrows.

The Guru explains

Since these forms come about for certain specific reasons, they serve the purpose and then have to exit the world through normal human processes like death, etc..
God can only be experienced by those who are attuned to God and have a very sincere belief. First get convinced of the existence and then have a firm faith in God. Pine for God like you would for your last breath underwater. Ask God to show you the form and God will surely appear for you.
Don’t have expectations that God is male or female, like Jesus or Krisna, tall or handsome, in rags or splendid clothes, etc., etc.. Let God show whichever way God wants to show. Don’t have any fixated ideas or beliefs and let God lead the way.

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Trinitarians making their proof for existence of God look ridiculous #1

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Additional readings

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  2. Science, belief, denial and visibility 1
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  4. Marriage of Jesus 8 Wife of Yahweh

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